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Unfortunately democracies are vulnerable to the opinions of the people living in them. Or should that be 'fortunately'? [Tue 16 Mar 10:51 GMT] robin It should - as we both well know. (As also does Rupert.) [Tue 16 Mar 10:55 GMT] Peter Awful dilemma. The way to make terrorism go away (or at least retreat into gangsterism) is to make changes. Western governments do this slowly and claim it's not because of pressure from terrorism, while at the same tiime locking up, cracking down etc. The end result is peace with some changes. If this is better than war depends on your opinion, particularly your attitude to change. Al Qaida are a bit different. As both outsiders and dedicated non-negotiators they are much harder to take on. They have changed all our lives a little and look set to do a lot more. [Tue 16 Mar 11:15 GMT] robin i hate to see any election result labeled...an 'Al Qaida' victory...that would seem to make any incumbant leaders...like BUSH and BLAIR...leaders for life, unless we choose to let Al Qaida win...if BUSH and BLAIR are boobs...then they deserve to be sent packing...regardless of their stance on AL QAIDA OR IRAQ...that's just what we need over here...to get stuck with four more years of BUSH the SECOND...because 'Al Qaida' doesn't like him. [Tue 16 Mar 11:23 GMT] d. burr Y'know, it seems to me that saying "Bombs Work" is what hands bombers their victories, not the bombs. Looking back over the various bombings in the UK in the last three decades it's pretty clear that bombing doesn't really work, save for killing some people and giving another organisation's name some air-time. Then something else happens and it all goes away, so much yesterday's newsprint. Perhaps my view is a little clouded by being a perceived Irish person dealing with the English method of dealing with "Irish" bombs, which is/was characterised by a similar tarring-with-same-brush that you're displaying Peter. Disappointing. [Tue 16 Mar 11:40 GMT] PBQ islam is not an outrage. why do you feel the need to offer such a stereotypical impression of it? your description of islam as a fucking outrage is wrong, ignorant and hateful. i expected better from you. [Tue 16 Mar 11:55 GMT] quarsan Well said Peter. All religions that promise life after death are fraudsters & in doing so deflect us from tackling the real issues of this corrupt world. It so happens that Islam is the biggest baddest bully in the playground just now & thats why those of us who can still use rational thought will applaud you. I suppose I`m a child of a secular post-enlightenment approach..."I cant stand bigots, will defend your right to free speech & retain my right to defend the free society we have" And I dont believe the invasion of Iraq was a smart move either. [Tue 16 Mar 12:31 GMT] cyberslut 1. Well before the terrorist attacks, 90% of the Spanish population was against their government's participation in the invasion of Iraq. They haven't all changed their political allegiances because of the attacks - they were hopping mad about the invasion already. The election result isn't an Al-Q victory; it's a restoration of democracy. 2. Don't make the mistake of tarring all Moslems with the fundamentalist brush; it's like bracketing George Carey with Pat Buchanan. [Tue 16 Mar 12:42 GMT] mike As a theoretical religion Islam remains the world's most logical and compact. The current problem is that there are a lot of Moslem Jesuits and Guy Fawkeses out there at the moment and there is not enough mileage in the scripture to contradict or restrain them. Nor are there equitable social conditions that might do the same thing. [Tue 16 Mar 12:56 GMT] robin a footnote from the islamicvoice.com on gays quotes The last warning is for the Muslim Ummah: If they indulge in the practice of homosexuality, Allah's punishment is not far off. The Prophet (Pbuh) cursed homosexuals by repeating three times: "Allah has cursed anyone who does what Lut's people did." And he said: "If you find any persons engaged in homosexuality, kill both the active and the passive partner." Ibn Abbas said: "Find the tallest building in the town and throw the homosexual down from its roof, then stone him to death". Well sorry I am a practising - sorry, rather accomplished gay man and they ain't getting my vote with scriptures like that! [Tue 16 Mar 14:42 GMT] ally Is it true that Islam Scriptures condemns alternative life styles? No doubt. Is it more radical than other religious groups? Perhaps. Is it the only religion that condemns alternative life styles? NO. Is it the only religion that tries to control the behaviour of its followers? Definitely not! So why are we so quick to judge all Islam and all Muslims? In my opinion all religion is misguided and flawed; however I do not see any useful purpose in isolating or making example of one religious group. Persecution does not breed love and understanding, nor does it weaken the beliefs of the persecuted! [Tue 16 Mar 15:06 GMT] dolly "You can`t organise a war with lies" sayeth the new Spanish PM. So warmonger enemies reply with more lies.. "his intention to withdraw from the coalition against terror..." sayeth the Scotsman. THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS NOT ABOUT TERRORISM. There were no terrorists active there under Saddam. There are plenty there now. Just can`t resist saying "I told you so" Secrets and lies. [Tue 16 Mar 17:27 GMT] cyberslut France, which did not support the invasion of Iraq, has now been threatened by those same Islamic fanatics with bombs because it banned `in yer face` headscarves. (When in Rome) Get real! Our civilisation IS under attack & our current leaders are `moving the furniture` Am sorry to have to say this...but I feel threatened. [Tue 16 Mar 20:30 GMT] cyberslut the flexibility of thought y'need to maintain to remain a liberal far exceeds the mental energy required of the faithful. Peter is to all intents and purposes right. Islam is a hate religion, like its monotheistic partners Judaism and Christianity. there are plenty of well-meaning believers who want to pretend that the commands to hate aren't there, but they are. the same way that the Bible hates gay people, no matter what new age protestants might prefer to pretend. if you believe in God, you believe in the Saved and the Damned. you are a hateful bigot. accept it. the problem with cultural relativism is that human rights are either absolute or not. women are either inferior to men or not. homosexuals are either evil or not. there is no relativist position. either side with human beings, or burn witches. [Wed 17 Mar 00:11 GMT] noodle Thanks to all for your comments and observations. [Wed 17 Mar 08:34 GMT] Peter a spanish friend of mine talked with me about the election results. it seems that at least he and his friends didn't vote that way because of the bomb but because of the manner aznar et al tried to put the thing on eta. lies and lies, again and again. [Thu 18 Mar 19:22 GMT] abc Religion is a man made insurance policy, which is able to minipulate its followers by commandments. Though I don't believe any religion condones any acts of violance. [Mon 5 Apr 16:47 BST] Gareth |